TOP 10 list of Best and Worst HMI & SCADA

  • Thread starter Luciano Dell'Orfano - RTS Argentina
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To the list I would like to add:

Vsystem - (SCADA on VMS, UNIX, Linux and Windows)

Stability? - one year and counting on Windows/NT and three years on Alpha/OpenVMS.

Peter
 
Hi Bob,
there is no measure of good hmi. all hmi all equally good .As such siemens Hmi wincc is amongst the best .the graphics in this hmi are very good and useful.As far simplicity is concerned AFCON based hmi pcim is very good .this very very simple to use and the data base is also very easy to use.

regards,

sameer
 
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It seems to me that 3 or 4 of the packages listed are already pretty obscure. I'd be willing to bet the top 5 (in market share) have 90% or more of the market. The rest are probably just wannabes who will eventually die off.

Bob Peterson
 
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Intrinsic merit is in the eyes of the user I would think, not someone looking in from the outside with a very narrow view of what just is meritorious.

The fact is that all of the popular SCADA systems are quite servicable and comparable in cost, thus arguably equally meritorious. The real issues for
end users are:

long term support
training and familiarity internally
availability of outside support

Bob Peterson
 
As a former HMI grunt cranking out apps as quickly as possible, I rated the packages I've used on how much time it takes to create similar apps with each one, with the biggest time saver first. For me it boils down to counting keystrokes.

When I have to hold down a mouse button and then use the arrow key to move an object slightly, I start getting irritable.

1) Wonderware

There's a big gap here. I can create the same app with Wonderware in 1/3 the time of RSView.

2) RSview
3) Intellutions
4) Factorylink - the least usable package on the planet, which is a shame, because it's so powerful.
 
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George Robertson

Is that one year of continuous operation without reboot?

George G. Robertson, P.E.
Manager of Engineering
Saulsbury E & C
grobertson(AT)si-tx.com
(915) 366-4252
 
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I have a fair amount of experience with both WW and RSView. My expereince has been that WW support is pretty spotty, particularly at the distributor level. Its sometimes a bit difficult to get past that to someone who can actually help you sometimes.

OTOH-Rockwell Software support for RSView seems to be leaps and bounds above their support for other products. Its still amazing to me how much better. If you have concerns about using RSView because of your support tech support experiences with their other products, i would urge you to reconsider. Support for RSView is top notch.

Bob Peterson
 
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Hi Bob
List Manager wrote:
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> Intrinsic merit is in the eyes of the user I would think, not someone
> looking in from the outside with a very narrow view of what just is
> meritorious.

Or for that matter, an objective observer. My point was that merit is subjective, which is the same thing you are saying.

> The fact is that all of the popular SCADA systems are quite servicable
> and comparable in cost, thus arguably equally meritorious. The real
> issues for end users are:
>
> long term support
> training and familiarity internally
> availability of outside support

Yes, I doubt few of these are changed unless forced by lack of support for older versions, etc. Support is a two edged sword. Your best efforts can cease to be viable when support is withdrawn. I'll bet everyone reading this has at least one item of perfectly usable software that's
dead only because it's closed and there's no longer support for it. That's the support issue everyone tends to ignore. It can be a much bigger issue than what's available right now. This is a major cost issue. Think about it, the major cause of system retirement is an artificial limit imposed by the vendor you choose. It would be very
good to track who pulls the rug out most often. I have a short list of candidates in my head ;^). This can double or triple the true cost of a product over the life of the system.

Regards

cww
 
> Is Paragon still around? <

Paragon is still around with a focus on Pharmaceutical & Biotech. Do you have any experience with it? I would like to hear.

Ilan
 
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George Robertson

I used to use Paragon a lot, back in the days when they had their own ROM chip for the Opto LC-4 controller. Funny how much that looked like today's "new" hybrids. Progammed the controller and the operator interface with the same graphical, self documenting language. As an MMI, it had a few holes (this is back in 1990) but combined with the Opto Paragon ROM, it was my system of choice back then.

Glad to hear it's still out there!

Genesis and Paragon split off from each other quite a few years back. Genesis retained the emphasis on a deterministic kernel, which loaded ahead of Windows back then. Saw Genesis at ISA this year. Didn't find Paragon, though...

George G. Robertson, P.E.
Manager of Engineering
Saulsbury E & C
[email protected]
(915) 366-4252
 
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Pierre Desrochers

Wow, I don't see many threads dealing with the Paragon software. Using this software has given me an edge on other brands. I still have to answer about how there dynamic objects are poor compared to Wonderware an the likes but it's a solid app. and very versatile.
 
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That's what some people would have you believe.

Fact of the matter is that NT/2000/XP can be made to run reliably, it just takes a smart person to do it. If the machine isn't plugged into any externally accesible network, it doesn't need to be updated with security patches, and therefore doesn't need to be rebooted.

As the Chuck Yeager says: "Its the man, not the machine."

Alex Pavloff - [email protected] Eason Technology -- www.eason.com
 
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Honestly, graphics are least important, when we
do engineering or the selection of scada, somehow
yet to get time out error for communications.
Graphics size[ mem ] IS very low compared to
other packages since does not involve any bitmaps
this increases the display time considerably.What
we do normally each & every line objects is made
dynamic & hence operator knows everything logically & for this BMP may not help.
again update period is independent of dynamic
link in the graphics.

May be conservative in approach , but the basic
requirement is for stable realtime communication
for data & functionality.

What current products are doing now,paragon
have introduced in 1985 except the windowing
environment.

Again Paragon graphics is not open package.

Which application you are using paragon , what
H/W ? How may tags.

Jari
ICON CONTROL
[email protected]
 
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You can see this in discrete manufacturing
process, machine automation & CNC automation
clubeed with softplc[OC]. tHIS IS CRASH-PRROF
working HAL & parallel to NT & hence crash with
NT does not effect the control.
 
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Roberta Zald

Glad to hear that some of you are experienced with Paragon. Just to let you know that Intec Controls, the creators of Paragon, were acquired by Nematron Corporation back in 1997. You can still find Paragon in our product offering. Check out http://www.nematron.com.
 
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Pierre Desrochers

> Which application you are using paragon , what
> H/W ? How may tags.

Tags in the thousand. I use this to link other network together and to export Data.

There ODBC export is fast (using a SCSI drive).
I use them with GE CCM2 and Modicon Quantum PLC, also with Mitsubishi FX altough there driver has a major bug in it.
 
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