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Jiri Baum
Jiri:
> > As for how the world works - those who participate in linux steer it in
> > directions where they want to see it. Those who don't participate get
> > to watch and stay out of it. What's difficult about that?
Ralph:
> My observation (reinforced by the cynical comment above about those who
> are watching instead of participating)
Yeah, sorry about that, I should have put that better. The only apology I can offer is that anyone is invited to participate - whether with coding, or with writing specifications and stuff, feature requests, documentation, testing, debugging.
> is that several well-meaning posts to help identify the requirements for
> Linux in IA are not being accepted by the Linux participants at face
> value.
A lot of the time it's frustrating for us, too, because many of the requests are vague, out of our hands or otherwise problematic.
> Recently, a comment about the lack of tools to extract data from a server
> was responded to with a discussion of some arcane Linux commands that
> could be used to telnet into the server.
That was Joe Jansen's post? He said that with VB, he'll drag, drop, punch in some port and IP info, and it'll do what he want. I countered that with
linux scripting, you put in the command (nc - netcat), punch in some port and IP info, and it'll do exactly the same thing.
I also pointed out that you probably wouldn't bother, because there's easier ways of doing it.
> This completely missed the point
...
> average potential Linux/IA user who does not want to be a developer.
Joe was posting as a VB developer.
> If the participants in Linux who are steering the bandwagon want others
> to jump on they would be well advised to heed Walt's suggestion and start
> steering it in the direction that the people who have reasons to not use
> it are pointing you. If you don't care if anybody else jumps on then
> fine, steer it anyway you like.
Hmm, well apart from ``forget it and use Windows instead'', what exactly direction is Walt pointing us in?
He wants leading HMI manufacturers and leading SCM, ERP, and factory floor integration software makers to support it, but that's rather out of our
hands;
He wants ease of integration, which is better with Linux than with Windows to begin with;
He wants to make 5 billion dollars out of Linux;
Anything I've missed? (I think I've got most of the thread saved, just point me to a keyword or Message-ID.)
Jiri
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Jiri Baum <[email protected]>
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jiribvisit the MAT LinuxPLC project at http://mat.sf.net
> > As for how the world works - those who participate in linux steer it in
> > directions where they want to see it. Those who don't participate get
> > to watch and stay out of it. What's difficult about that?
Ralph:
> My observation (reinforced by the cynical comment above about those who
> are watching instead of participating)
Yeah, sorry about that, I should have put that better. The only apology I can offer is that anyone is invited to participate - whether with coding, or with writing specifications and stuff, feature requests, documentation, testing, debugging.
> is that several well-meaning posts to help identify the requirements for
> Linux in IA are not being accepted by the Linux participants at face
> value.
A lot of the time it's frustrating for us, too, because many of the requests are vague, out of our hands or otherwise problematic.
> Recently, a comment about the lack of tools to extract data from a server
> was responded to with a discussion of some arcane Linux commands that
> could be used to telnet into the server.
That was Joe Jansen's post? He said that with VB, he'll drag, drop, punch in some port and IP info, and it'll do what he want. I countered that with
linux scripting, you put in the command (nc - netcat), punch in some port and IP info, and it'll do exactly the same thing.
I also pointed out that you probably wouldn't bother, because there's easier ways of doing it.
> This completely missed the point
...
> average potential Linux/IA user who does not want to be a developer.
Joe was posting as a VB developer.
> If the participants in Linux who are steering the bandwagon want others
> to jump on they would be well advised to heed Walt's suggestion and start
> steering it in the direction that the people who have reasons to not use
> it are pointing you. If you don't care if anybody else jumps on then
> fine, steer it anyway you like.
Hmm, well apart from ``forget it and use Windows instead'', what exactly direction is Walt pointing us in?
He wants leading HMI manufacturers and leading SCM, ERP, and factory floor integration software makers to support it, but that's rather out of our
hands;
He wants ease of integration, which is better with Linux than with Windows to begin with;
He wants to make 5 billion dollars out of Linux;
Anything I've missed? (I think I've got most of the thread saved, just point me to a keyword or Message-ID.)
Jiri
--
Jiri Baum <[email protected]>
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jiribvisit the MAT LinuxPLC project at http://mat.sf.net