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Fuel Consumption Issue for Gas Turbine 9fa
I was pretty certain it was going to come to this. If it takes 25% of rated fuel flow-rate <i>just to maintain FSNL</i>, then this amount of fuel must be subtracted from any calculation of fuel versus electrical power produced to compare apples to apples--that amount of fuel is common to both...
CSA
Post #5
Jul 24, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
Speedtronic MK5 - Frequency Deviations
DBOneill, You are correct; Pre-Selected Load Control will fight Droop Speed Control to maintain the Pre-Selected Load Control setpoint during a frequency disturbance when the unit is at Part Load (below Base Load or Peak Load). Pre-Selected Load Control can be used to change load, but when...
CSA
Post #2
Jul 24, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
Fuel Consumption Issue for Gas Turbine 9fa
Mohamed nawar, Every GE-design heavy duty gas turbine control system I ever worked on came with a document (sometimes three documents) called the 'Control Specification.' That document detailed much of the operating parameters, expected and design, for the turbine and auxiliaries. Section...
CSA
Post #3
Jul 23, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
Piping & Instrumentation Diagram (P&ID) Analysis Tool
I would estimate there would be a market for it, and many sites would find it useful. However, I can see one big problem. There are MANY names for a valve which regulates the downstream pressure. Pressure Regulating Valve; Pressure Reducing Valve; Let-down Valve; Make-up Valve; PRV...
CSA
Post #2
Jul 20, 2018
Forum:
General Automation Chat
PM3 G3 + Purge Lockout DLN26+
Chemsouhd, >Lets talk logic now: If only we could do that (talk logic) about GE Belfort "logic." It's not, so we can't. L99??? LPGG??? That's just unconscionable. And illogical. Why even have signal names when they are screwed up--just like it seems the "logic" is? You need to go to...
CSA
Post #4
Jul 18, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
PM3 G3 + Purge Lockout DLN26+
Chemsouhd, >Another question if really we have condensation whats the >risk of damage on the machine if we force the logic? One quart of natural gas liquids (condensate) equates to approximately 10 MW of power. If that flows into a combustor or combustors the sudden ignition of that much...
CSA
Post #2
Jul 18, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
MARKVIe Modifications
khoriwal000, Try this: Open any .trn file. Select any bit of data, and don't zoom in on the data too closely. Then click on either the left- or the right cursor and drag it to the center of the data. Now, while watching the data values in the 'Traces' tab at the lower portion of the window...
CSA
Post #14
Jul 16, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
MARKVIe Modifications
k000, Post the .trn file--not a grainy, dark photo of one bit of data. From what I see you have set the left- and right cursors for approximately 0.040040 seconds--<b>BUT, THAT'S NOT 40 msec resolution.</b> The data does not appear to have been collected at a 40 msec rate. The data in the...
CSA
Post #13
Jul 15, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
MARKVIe Modifications
kl000, How many "failed" exhaust T/Cs is the machine currently running with? Would you please post the 40 msec .trn file to a web-hosting site and post the link to the file on control.com? It seems one respondent to this thread works for GE; perhaps that individual will provide a...
CSA
Post #11
Jul 14, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
GE 9HA DLN 2.6+ Combustion Modes
AbdulRehman, The HA technology is pretty new and I haven't seen much in the way of documentation about it's operation and operating modes. I would suggest that GE provided some training at the plant, and there are training manuals from that instruction around that you could access for...
CSA
Post #2
Jul 12, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
MARKVIe Modifications
khoriwal000, sir, The "interval" for a Trend Recorder session is adjustable (and must be specified or changed prior to the start of a data recording session), and I believe 40 msec is the fastest (because it can't get too much faster than the application code scan rate, probably, which...
CSA
Post #8
Jul 11, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
MARKVIe Modifications
khoriwal000, What you are seeing is most likely latency (delays) in screen updates. If you used Trend Recorder on the highest resolution (40 msec) you would even still possibly see some disagreements, but the calculation is what is shown in the block. HMI screen updates can take as long as...
CSA
Post #6
Jul 11, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
MARKVIe Modifications
khoriwal000, Can you please explain why you think there is a difference between the Mark VI calculation of TTXSP1 and the Mark VIe calculation of TTXSP1? I cannot read the very bottom of the picture where it talks about how 'k' is determined. But, it's determined from the total number of...
CSA
Post #4
Jul 10, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
Solenoid Valves and Ovation
qhogan1, Thanks for the information! Glad the issue was resolved. Those pesky neutrals/earths/grounds, anyway.
CSA
Post #3
Jul 10, 2018
Forum:
General Software Chat
What makes a generator increase load
Chemsouhd, Without being able to see the GE Belfort GE application code, I won't be making any further comment. As I've already said, GE Belfort code is usually by design unnecessarily and needlessly complicated, and while it may work well understanding it can be mind-bending. Trying to...
CSA
Post #53
Jul 10, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
MARKVIe Modifications
khoriwal000, You would need to tell us what the names of the blocks are (such as TTXSPVn, where 'n' is the version number) in Mark VI and Mark VIe, <b>AND</b> the Frame sizes of the machines, <b>AND</b> the type of combustion systems used on the machine with Mark VI and the machine with Mark...
CSA
Post #2
Jul 9, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
What makes a generator increase load
Chemsouhd, So, you have a single-shaft "STAG", STeam- And Gas Turbines driving a single generator? To be quite honest, I have very little experience with such arrangements. The thing to remember about steam turbines in combined cycle applications (multiple-shaft or single-shaft) is this...
CSA
Post #50
Jul 9, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
AHOP Starts During Fuel Changeover in Frame-III
Barindra75, What happens when you change from gas fuel to High-Speed Diesel? As glenmorangie says, something is causing the Aux. Hydraulic Oil Pump to start. For most digital Mark* turbine control systems that something would be a pressure switch, usually 63HQ-1. Have you had someone...
CSA
Post #3
Jul 7, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
STANDARD DROOP/SPEED CONTROL compared to other LOAD/SPEED CONTROL
Isulamu, The "fix" that GE sells allows the unit to over-fire when it's at Base Load AND the grid frequency decreases--BUT, they add a timer that keeps track of the time the unit is over-fired and that has to be factored into maintenance outage planning. By over-firing it is meant that the...
CSA
Post #7
Jul 5, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
STANDARD DROOP/SPEED CONTROL compared to other LOAD/SPEED CONTROL
Isulamu, The plot thickeneth! I completely missed that you wrote you were working at a compressor station; I do remember you writing there were single- and two-shaft machines at the site--and wondered, but didn't specifically ask. My bad. But, at least now I'm beginning to understand (I...
CSA
Post #5
Jul 4, 2018
Forum:
Power Generation
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