Hi all,

I want to know step by step procedure for adding input and output signal in TMR MARK V with I Speedtronics.

It would be better if you give brief explanation what happens in every step we are doing in the system and what is the purpose of tc2k report.

Thank you

Seshan

 

There's a pretty darned good description of the Mark V portion of what you're asking for in GEH-6195, the Mark V Turbine Control Application Guide, in Section 8. Have you looked at that and do you still have questions?

If <I>s are used with the Mark V, then there's not much more need be done. The signals would be available for use on the displays as soon as the information was downloaded to the Mark V and the processors rebooted and the <I> was re-started.

If GE Mark V HMIs are used with the Mark V, and you want to put any of the new signals on CIMPLICITY displays, you're on your own. There is no documentation for this, and it changes depending on the versions of TCI and CIMPLICITY in use on the HMI. Sorry; but them's the facts.

Maybe if you have GE Mark V HMIs and you describe the versions and service packs of TCI, CIMBRIDGE and CIMPLICITY in use on the HMI, somebody here can provide some instructions. But it would be necessary to know what versions and service packs of the applications are used on the GE Mark V HMI.

 

Thanks for the reply, i know there are detailed instructions of adding I/O in mark V <I> TMR control system.

The problem is we do not have access in the control system to and some of the manual to refer in our plant. I am very much interested to work in the control system directly but people in the site are not permitting to work in the control system, our Engineers think their monopoly will break and our management thinks we will live the job once we are perfect in control system. Our management is not even helping us to grow or they will not allow us to find good job in the same country (UAE). I am expatriate here working to run my life.

I have gained lot of knowledge in speedtronics control system from this forum

Most of the points in the details provided in the manual can be understood, but [;ease clarify me what is the use of tc2kreport and why do we update the modifications in it ?

where we are configuring the stage link and DEnet and IO net.

thanks
seshan

 

Seshan,

While I sympathize with you in your situation, I don't see the value in reproducing procedures that are already detailed in existing manuals.

TC2KREPT.TXT is the "I/O Report" for the Mark V, and is nothing more than an ASCII text file that is used to describe wiring terminations made to the Mark V. While some of the terminal board points for inputs and outputs are listed in the comments section of IO.ASG, it's not complete (imagine that!) and TC2KREPT.TXT is the "map" to the input and output wiring.

If you use spare inputs and outputs to add new functionality to the Mark V, you should edit TC2KREPT.TXT to reflect the "addition" of the new I/O to what should be available, open I/O points. That way, people who come behind you work with you can "find" the newly added I/O. If you don't edit TC2KREPT.TXT, nothing will happen to the Mark V. Nothing bad; nothing good; just, nothing. It doesn't do anything except serve as a list of wires and inputs and outputs. As such, it was never usually edited during commissioning, and usually had a few errors, but it's better than nothing.

The StageLink ID should already be set for all the nodes on the StageLink. You can set the StageLink ID for <C> (and <D>, if present) using the LCC/SLCC display/keypad and the values must match the values in F:\CONFIG.DAT.

The StageLink ID for the ARCnet cards of <I>s is set using DIPswitches on the ARCnet card edge. The StageLink ID of GE Mark V HMI cards is set using the ARCnet tab of the TCI Control Panel applet on the HMI.

There's nothing to do for the DENET.

IONET "settings" for I/O cards associated with a processor but located outside the processor (like TCEA and TCDA cards) are done with hardware (Berg) jumpers. And if you change a card, you should put the hardware jumpers on the new card in exactly the same position you find the same jumpers in on the card being replaced. If you don't, you'll likely be very sorry.

Having worked around the world, I'm very aware of the plight of people working outside their home country and not being able to learn as much as they can or would like to. People who will leave their family for years, decades, to find work and send money home for their family and endure the separation and hardship are amazing people who have a strong sense of commitment and honor. It's a tough sacrifice; very tough. Made even harder when access to information and training is denied.

I've worked in plants where documentation is kept under lock and key by people who are trying to protect their jobs, some of these same people who have left their homeland and family to get the job they have. Sometimes, it's just kept under lock and key because it disappears (believe it or not).

There's also the "Company's" point of view. Speedtronic turbine control systems are used to control electrical power generating equipment. In many parts of the world, power plants are guarded by the nation's military they are deemed so critical to life and stability. Even in places where the security isn't so tight, these are huge assets which must be kept running and producing profits (oh, and electricity, too).

It's a huge dilemma. You seem to be trying to find all available sources of information. If you will post an email address and ask for electronic copies if the Mark V Manuals, someone will likely send them to you.

Or, I'm sure there are copies available somewhere on the World-Wide Web; most everything else is these days and people seem to think they can just post any copyrighted material to the Web for anyone else to see and read. They don't realize that many people derive livings for their own families by writing, publishing, and producing books and software and music. But, just because it can be made available on the Web, people have begun to demand it be made freely available.

Okay; I have to get off my soapbox now. Sorry.

 

Thank you very much Mr CSA for your valuable reply

regards

seshan

 

We have two HMIs communicating with single GTG. One HMI hard disk got crashed. I have taken Image copy of hard disk of second HMI and I have used the same for first HMI. When both HMIs were connected Arc net stage link node ID conflict is coming.

Individually both HMIs were communicating with Mark V. How to change the stage Link ID for HMI?

Please help me out.

 

This shows the value in using an application like Acronis True Image to make back-ups of hard disk for use in recovery situations.

From a previous post to this thread:

> The StageLink ID of GE Mark V HMI cards is set
> using the ARCnet tab of the TCI Control Panel
> applet on the HMI.

So, go to the MS-Windows Control Panel, find the TCI applet and open it. Go to the StageLink ID tab (this presumes the ARCnet card is a PCI ARCnet card) and change the StageLink ID to something other than what you see, probably by just adding or subtracting 1 from the value you see. Save, and then stop and re-start TCI (or re-boot the HMI).

That should do it.

 

Sir,

What ever solution you gave that is for arcnet card, if we are using in ISA slot. But we are having Arcnet card which sits in PCI slot. In control panel-->TCI applet, ISA arcnet card can be configured. PCI arcnet card is auto configurable. The solution which you gave I tried, but I could not change the stage link ID for HMI node. Please tell me if there is any other method of changing.

 

I don't have a PC that can be configured as a GE Mark V HMI, so I don't have the TCI Control Panel Applet.

I do know that the TCI applet has a tab for ISA ARCnet cards, even if there is no ISA ARCnet card, so the ISA ARCnet card must be disabled in the TCI applet. If there are any fields that are not greyed out, click on 'Remove this' in the 'ARCnets cards' area of the 'ARCNET (ISA)' tab.

I have just contacted a former colleague, and he tells me that the DIP switches on the edge of the PCI ARCnet card *are* used to set the StageLink ID. (Isn't this GE Mark V HMI stuff fun? NOT!) So, you need to check the DIP switch settings of the two cards and make sure they are *NOT* the same.

Your specific question was about changing the StageLink ID, and I did provide inaccurate information for the PCI ARCnet card StageLink ID for which I apologize.

However, I presume that you would have left the DIP switches on the ARCnet card in the original positions, and if so, then I suggest the problem is not with the StageLink ID, but rather with the fact that you have two identical CIMPLICITY projects.

This is one of the things that is maddening (to me!) about GE Mark V HMIs. I believe that what you are doing (copying a CIMPLICITY project from one machine to another and running it "directly" without making it "specific" to that second HMI) is not possible and can cause StageLink communication problems.

So, I'm at the end of my ability to help you with this problem as I am not a GE Mark V HMI/CIMPLICITY fan, nor, obviously, any kind of expert.