# Technology Stocks

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#### Shantanu Apte

It is a puzzle to me . Will anybody throw some light ? If people who conceptualize , develop and implement some of the best techniques used in manufacturing and process automation , do not belong to Technology then what is the meaning of TECHNOLOGY ?

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#### Jim Pinto

Because the Automation vendors are NOT suppliers or originators of primary technology. They supply technology APPLICATIONS. Indeed, they are migrating very strongly to becoming systems suppliers. See my article - Why is Industrial Automation Declining? http://www.jimpinto.com/writings/iadecline.html Cheers: jim ---------------/ Jim Pinto email: [email protected] Web: www.JimPinto.com San Diego, CA. USA ---------------/

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#### Richard Dewees

If you are a PLC, HMI and control system programmer and you are making next to minimum wage you need to learn to ask for a raise.

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#### D. C. Pittendrigh

Hi All I personally found Bob's comments to be a rather valid assesment of the situation, this appears to be an international problem and if I may quote the younger generation more likely to be found in that other "profession", IT sucks. I can also set up a domain server, reserve IP addresses, create a DHCP scope, define a security policy, pass my MCSE exams and play solitaire, to name but a few. Excepting the last two, I deal with these issues almost daily, and I think quite competently too, and I am an "automation engineer". I too have the sense that if I was aplying my skills from the comparative comfort of an air-conditioned computer room, that I could double my income, but then I would give up that part of my job which allows me to play with my clients multi million dollar machines, upon which the essence of his turnover relies, I would have to give up worrying about protecting peoples lives from the vagaries of man-eating automated machines and I wouldn't get to wash coal dust, iron ore, sulphur, fertilizer and other non-describable things off my 6 year old VW jetta nearly as often, I mean life would be hell, but then I am a funny guy........ Oh and incidentally Anthony, most of us do it because it turns us on to work in automation, and despite your perception of supply and demand, there appears to be a glut of MCSE's around, since Bill made it popular to formalize everything from a power user upwards, and if anything the rules of supply and demand should......... Oh what the heck. Cheers Donald Pittendrigh

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#### Timothy P. Heckman

I have worked both sides of the fence.... There are bad programmers in IT & Eng. and the worlds are merging faster than you think. I don't buy the argument that an electrician or night operator can fix it - I always seem to get called by the electrician in the middle of the night. I think the real differentiator is the degree of difficulty of the problem and the resultant complexity of the solution. I strongly do not like ladder. Flow is better, but I can code up an If-Then statement faster than I can connect the lines with the flow charting tool. With a simple machine design, most people can grab the concept in ladder, but for some reason... it's harder for some to code the same solution in script. In the IT world, the desired solution is inherently abstracted from the problem to be solved. There are many ways to skin the cat and some truly creative solutions sometimes surface. On the flip side, some of the work is data in/data out.... If you like immediate gratification from your coding efforts then this type of work is not very satisfying. The Eng. needs to know some electrical theory, the IT professional needs to understand some system architecture. If you prove yourself and perform at a high level taking on the tough challenges, you can be well paid in either profession. [email protected]

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#### GirishBabu

Hi List, I think job satisfaction matters! As long as you are happy and got thrill in the job it does not matter IT or Automation. Every one's job is equally important right from a barber to a white collared IT corporate!!! BR/Girish

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#### Anthony Kerstens

Don't try to drag Bill Gates into this. The situation is similar for Oracle, Novel, and the many acronym technologies. As for my "perception", it always comes down to supply and demand. The employer is the consumer. The employee is the producer. Both have something to offer and both have expectations. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now, for the meat of the situation. I said what I did before because I was disgusted with the attitude. The only reason to bitch and complain about something is to seek consolation. That consolation is obtained by soliciting a negative response from others to justify your own negative feelings. That action drags down the demeanour of others, is negative behaviour, and is unacceptable at the water cooler, meetings, or anywhere else people gather for discussions. You, believe it or not, are in control. If you don't like what you're doing, you should evaluate the situation before you and make a decision. Your decisions are: 1. Bitch and complain. Likely you will always find a chorus to sing with you. That does not solve your problem and doesn't do the people around you any good either. 2. Put up and do your job. You will likely find ways to deal with the problems, and become a stronger person and a better engineer. 3. Go for job interviews only if the problem can't be taken head on. The bottom line is that you have to take control of your own situation. If someone wants advice. Great. I will happily offer it. If someone wants to bitch, I will not be a chorus, and I will not let anyone treat me in that manner. Anthony Kerstens P.Eng.

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